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Post by Night Train Lane on Nov 27, 2011 18:30:40 GMT -5
ufsl.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=med&thread=525&page=1#3134The first grade is a joke. Content - 2/2 Hit the minimum. Creativity - .75/1 The paragraphs were rather short. Also, next time, center it, it'll look much better. Grammar - 1.5/2 Way too many interviews. They were basically an excuse for bad grammar. 4.25/5 1. I was writing an article as if it appeared in the Associated Press. They write short paragraphs at the AP, and they don't center text. Centering text shouldn't be a requirement under creativity either. 2. There were not "way too many interviews." If you take out the interviews, it leaves you with 256 words, or slightly less than half of the article. ufsl.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=med&action=display&thread=458Your entire article is an interview, and there's not even quotation marks on it. That shouldn't be a 5 by the grade you just gave me. 3. If I can quotate people with words like 'dat and ya' in a University Writing class and it is considered as encouraged, or my favorite, "strong writing voice," then it isn't "an excuse to use bad grammar" it is only an attempt to jazz up the monotony that is grading media spots to give you guys a break. If you find a gramatical error, fine, but if you don't, don't make stuff up. If you want them all the exact same, just remove the creativity aspect of the rubric and bore yourselves to death. Fine by me, but there's nothing in that grade that is in the rubric, nor has any prior precedent to support any of the reasoning of that grade.
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Post by TheRealDeal on Nov 27, 2011 18:55:37 GMT -5
lol, and he's the head grader for media.
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Post by iharland on Nov 27, 2011 18:57:29 GMT -5
I have to say. I do agree with the Dick.
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Post by rickyrozay on Nov 27, 2011 18:58:04 GMT -5
wtf why is elijah the head grader and not DA
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Post by i$wag on Nov 27, 2011 19:02:21 GMT -5
The head grader also took a fucking week to replace a grader that quit and replaced him with a guy that applied a today rather than someone who actually applied before.
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Post by supastar33 on Nov 27, 2011 19:26:16 GMT -5
You guys are all pussies. I handed out a grade the way I believed it should be graded. I also talked to Bash who said that if I thought there was too many interviews in an article, I could grade it as if the articles were supposed to have correct grammar. If a different grader think otherwise, then you'll be fine with the next grader. And as for the short paragraphs, they made the article look terrible. Creativity is the look of an article. So I took off there. And it's not a requirement for an article to be centered, hence why I didn't take off for it. I just suggested that it gets centered.
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Post by kufan15 on Nov 27, 2011 19:41:22 GMT -5
Too many interviews? Why can't we just call them quotes. I'm a god damn sports writer and reading some of this shit just drives me batty.
FWIW, I always write my articles in AP style. A lot of people are used to that and accept that, because they know I bring entertaining stuff to the table. If the article is good, it won't matter if the paragraphs are short. I've learned this.
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Post by CowboyinAmerica on Nov 27, 2011 19:45:48 GMT -5
You guys are all pussies. I handed out a grade the way I believed it should be graded. I also talked to Bash who said that if I thought there was too many interviews in an article, I could grade it as if the articles were supposed to have correct grammar. If a different grader think otherwise, then you'll be fine with the next grader. And as for the short paragraphs, they made the article look terrible. Creativity is the look of an article. So I took off there. And it's not a requirement for an article to be centered, hence why I didn't take off for it. I just suggested that it gets centered. OK, I wasn't going to say anything until you called everyone pussies. Have some damn humility. In case you were unaware, this is a forum. The point of medias are not to simulate a professionally done website, magazine or newspaper. The criteria clearly states "When organizing it, make it look professional as well. Pictures help, and so can color (but make them purposeful)." However, professional in this context clearly has to have a different meaning, since html isn't possible here (and nor should it be expected). Quite frankly, the fact that he put pictures that directly correlate to the article, as well as italicizing the quotations, is about as creative as you're going to get presentation-wise without getting into camp and presentation for presentation's-sake. And as for the grammar portion, you are absolutely, positively incorrect. As a journalism major, I can attest that the first thing that they tell you is that you never change a quotation. If your subject has bad grammar, as Lane is clearly trying to simulate with his player here, then it should be accurately reflected in the article. In fact, I applaud him for being able to accurately reflect the difference between correct writing (in the non-italicized portions) and the slang (in the italicized portions) and work seamlessly between the two. In addition, the point of an article is that quotations exist. In a real journalistic setting, if you don't have direct quotations from a source, then you don't have an article. The old adage exists that a journalist would never be able to tell a story better than the person has already told it themselves. If you read many articles, you'll see that at least 30% of the article is quotes. Lane's proportion is a bit more here, but once again, this is a goddamn sim league, and some leeway is needed in the vain of creativity. Q.E.D.: This is why there's two graders, and I see no reason why Lane's won't get a 5 with the next guy. But admit that your grade sucked, change your own personal rubric to be accurate, and move on. EDIT: I love AP style. As Kennard said above me, short paragraphs (never longer than 1-2 sentences) are encouraged. Docking for that simply shows a lack of knowledge more than anything. |
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Post by Night Train Lane on Nov 27, 2011 19:52:42 GMT -5
EDIT: I love AP style. As Kennard said above me, short paragraphs (never longer than 1-2 sentences) are encouraged. Docking for that simply shows a lack of knowledge more than anything. In addition to everything else you said: Shorter paragraphs makes it easier to read. I was taught this in a web journalism class and it was strongly encouraged to reduce screen envy. I also talked to Bash who said that if I thought there was too many interviews in an article, I could grade it as if the articles were supposed to have correct grammar. Please enlighten us about what your article is then. The ENTIRE thing is an "interview" and you didn't even use quotation marks. Since I lost .5 on grammar for writing 250 quoted words, you should have gotten -1 for 500 or so, and another -1 for all the quotation marks you missed. |
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Post by supastar33 on Nov 27, 2011 19:56:26 GMT -5
Alright, I have no issue with an article having quotations. That issue comes into play when 45% or more of the article is an interview. Then I'm going to dock for grammar.
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Post by Night Train Lane on Nov 27, 2011 19:58:25 GMT -5
Alright, I have no issue with an article having quotations. That issue comes into play when 45% or more of the article is an interview. Then I'm going to dock for grammar. You need to adjust your article accordingly, then, because that ain't a 5. You also need to talk to the admins and put it in the rubric. I'm not going to write one way to satisfy you, and one way to satisfy someone else. |
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Post by supastar33 on Nov 27, 2011 20:01:56 GMT -5
Hmm, do you see any grammar issues in my article? No, so you need to adjust your thoughts about my article accordingly to what I said.
I have an issue with grammar in interviews if they take up more than 45% of an article.
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Post by Advantage on Nov 27, 2011 20:05:57 GMT -5
It's a different style, and I like it.
If those quotes have grammar errors then you can dock that..it isn't at all an excuse for poor grammar. It's not like he is pulling them off of AIM and pasting them here with a bunch of bad errors. He is just using self-written quotes which I like.
It's unique..but it's well done. I think Bash was just alluding that you can do what you want, but if we don't like it, we can replace you.
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Post by Night Train Lane on Nov 27, 2011 20:10:57 GMT -5
Hmm, do you see any grammar issues in my article? No, so you need to adjust your thoughts about my article accordingly to what I said. I have an issue with grammar in interviews if they take up more than 45% of an article. Ok, but that's not what you said earlier. 45% of the article wasn't written in any sort of slang either. Of the 312 words that were quoted, 89 weren't written in slang, so that leaves approximately 39%. |
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Post by supastar33 on Nov 27, 2011 20:11:51 GMT -5
Alright, thanks for editing your posts to make yourself sound even more retarded about my article. For the last time. I don't have an issue with an article that is mostly an interview, I have an issue when the article is mostly interviews and it has terrible grammar. My interview has perfectly fine grammar.
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