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Post by Night Train Lane on Dec 5, 2011 11:46:30 GMT -5
people sit and test sim? what is the difference? Cause those PBs are already made. This involves creating, test simming, editing, test simming, editing some more, test simming the pb creator is really basic. you're not going to be able to make things complex. you will be able to create simple offenses and simple defenses. you're not going to be able to reinvent the wheel with this idea as far as offensive or defensive philosophy. since it is so time consuming, then people aren't going to be able to make something so difficult to defend. lets just get a few folks together and try it out. why not? |
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Post by iharland on Dec 5, 2011 16:42:41 GMT -5
Thank you Lane. Someone else with a brain. WHAT IS THE HARM? We try it out for one or two week. Make it maybe week 4 or 5, so we can figure it all out in time. If people don't like it, we don't do it again. But if we like it, Bash, you can be the hero for letting it happen.
If it fails, I will take all the blame and personally resign from this league, and sim leagues forever if the masses so choose. You can quote me on it.
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Post by Bryant on Dec 5, 2011 20:02:18 GMT -5
Bash already said no. Let it go man.
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Post by Night Train Lane on Dec 5, 2011 20:04:56 GMT -5
Bash already said no. Let it go man. bash made up his story and didn't give any relevant reasons. this isn't going away. |
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Post by Bryant on Dec 5, 2011 20:14:06 GMT -5
Bash already said no. Let it go man. bash made up his story and didn't give any relevant reasons. this isn't going away. How do you know the story is made up? I've been in tons of sim leagues over the past 4-5 years that I couldn't even name. His reason was that one team dominated which is obviously a problem. Just use the default playbooks, it's easy. |
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Post by Night Train Lane on Dec 5, 2011 20:42:10 GMT -5
how do i know it is made up? uh, because I have a brain? did you read it?
the story is made up because one team couldn't have raped. in this scenario everyone would have access to whatever unbeatable playbook it was and would have been able to either use it or copy it. it doesnt make any sense and edd and i asked him like 4 times before we got a vague "i don't know what league it was in"
BREAKING NEWS, there are people at EA sports who make playbooks FOR A LIVING and then you get people like bash and duckberg that make it sound like a bunch of amateurs could make gods gift to football. it doesn't make sense.
opening a door to creating a running playbook where a scrambling quarterback is actually useful, tweaking an offense or defense is the extent of what is possible.
in any case, there is no reason not to test it. if it tests and someone rapes then you don't do it. but if it does work, you open a whole new facet to the league and you offer something different that other leagues didn't do it. the positives far outweigh the negatives.
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Post by Bash on Dec 5, 2011 20:54:50 GMT -5
how do i know it is made up? uh, because I have a brain? did you read it? the story is made up because one team couldn't have raped. in this scenario everyone would have access to whatever unbeatable playbook it was and would have been able to either use it or copy it. it doesnt make any sense and edd and i asked him like 4 times before we got a vague "i don't know what league it was in" BREAKING NEWS, there are people at EA sports who make playbooks FOR A LIVING and then you get people like bash and duckberg that make it sound like a bunch of amateurs could make gods gift to football. it doesn't make sense. opening a door to creating a running playbook where a scrambling quarterback is actually useful, tweaking an offense or defense is the extent of what is possible. in any case, there is no reason not to test it. if it tests and someone rapes then you don't do it. but if it does work, you open a whole new facet to the league and you offer something different that other leagues didn't do it. the positives far outweigh the negatives. You weren't allowed to use another teams playbook in the league. Also, sorry I don't remember the name of a league that lasted less than 1 season 4 years ago. Go ahead, make your playbook, do what you want really since it's obvious you know more than anyone here and I am a liar. |
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Post by Night Train Lane on Dec 5, 2011 20:57:56 GMT -5
You weren't allowed to use another teams playbook in the league. ok so make a rule here that you can. competitive balance problem solved. Go ahead, make your playbook, do what you want really since it's obvious you know more than anyone here and I am a liar. so are you allowing it? |
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Post by iharland on Dec 5, 2011 21:12:21 GMT -5
Or how about PB's become public record, and can be analyzed and recreated by anyone.
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Post by Bryant on Dec 5, 2011 21:14:42 GMT -5
how do i know it is made up? uh, because I have a brain? did you read it? the story is made up because one team couldn't have raped. in this scenario everyone would have access to whatever unbeatable playbook it was and would have been able to either use it or copy it. it doesnt make any sense and edd and i asked him like 4 times before we got a vague "i don't know what league it was in" BREAKING NEWS, there are people at EA sports who make playbooks FOR A LIVING and then you get people like bash and duckberg that make it sound like a bunch of amateurs could make gods gift to football. it doesn't make sense. opening a door to creating a running playbook where a scrambling quarterback is actually useful, tweaking an offense or defense is the extent of what is possible. in any case, there is no reason not to test it. if it tests and someone rapes then you don't do it. but if it does work, you open a whole new facet to the league and you offer something different that other leagues didn't do it. the positives far outweigh the negatives. I have a brain and I did read it. I'm not an idiot, I am stating my opinion just like you are. No need for name calling in this situation. As I said, I forget half the names of leagues I've been in besides ones that have lasted. I've probably been in more than 30 or so leagues (football, basketball, soccer, and hockey) and I could only tell you about 6-7 maybe. As for the EA argument that made me laugh. They make playbooks based off what the teams do in real life, they don't make an "ULTIMATE" playbook which more than likely can be made if you test sim and find out what mechanics work 90% to 100% of the time to beat a defense or offense. It has been suggested in leagues and I've never seen it implemented. I am content with the original playbooks that provide an already good competitive balance. No need to try to skew anything. |
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Post by Night Train Lane on Dec 5, 2011 21:22:41 GMT -5
I have a brain and I did read it. I'm not an idiot, I am stating my opinion just like you are. No need for name calling in this situation. i didn't call you any names and i don't think you are an idiot. i assumed you jumped in at the end of the conversation and didnt read the entire thread since i explained why i didn't buy it earlier and you seemed to miss it. and again, make a rule that every team can use the playbook. if you upload it and put it in the game roster section, no one is going to make something entirely crazy out of fear of it being used on them. |
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Post by Bryant on Dec 5, 2011 21:26:46 GMT -5
I have a brain and I did read it. I'm not an idiot, I am stating my opinion just like you are. No need for name calling in this situation. i didn't call you any names and i don't think you are an idiot. i assumed you jumped in at the end of the conversation and didnt read the entire thread since i explained why i didn't buy it earlier and you seemed to miss it. and again, make a rule that every team can use the playbook. if you upload it and put it in the game roster section, no one is going to make something entirely crazy out of fear of it being used on them. Then what is the point if you aren't going to make something that is better than someone else's playbooks? |
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Post by Night Train Lane on Dec 5, 2011 21:34:49 GMT -5
i didn't call you any names and i don't think you are an idiot. i assumed you jumped in at the end of the conversation and didnt read the entire thread since i explained why i didn't buy it earlier and you seemed to miss it. and again, make a rule that every team can use the playbook. if you upload it and put it in the game roster section, no one is going to make something entirely crazy out of fear of it being used on them. Then what is the point if you aren't going to make something that is better than someone else's playbooks? ah, now were talking. thank you for discussing this instead of putting your fingers and your ears and going, "la la la la la can't hear you." well i think something that would be fun would be the power spread like Auburn, Michigan, formerly Florida ran. you could actually make running quarterbacks relevant in this league. i remember reading a media in this league about someone making his player after mike vick. you could make it useful for once since there isn't a PB that really does that. but the biggest thing is tailoring a playbook to what you have on your team. if you draft two HB's you could run a 2 HB offense. if you have two fast safeties you can permanently run cover 2. if your OLB is awesome you could move him all over the place, Troy Polamalu style. (i realize he doesn't play OLB) i wouldn't expect every team to use the same defensive or offensive playbook because different teams have different things that work for them. reno couldn't run the two RB offense for example, but two other teams in this league could. the two RB offense can be one of the best offenses for mismatches if it is used right. the allowance of letting other teams use it (or at the least borrow plays) stops someone from taking it out of hand. |
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Post by Bryant on Dec 5, 2011 21:39:57 GMT -5
Then what is the point if you aren't going to make something that is better than someone else's playbooks? ah, now were talking. thank you for discussing this instead of putting your fingers and your ears and going, "la la la la la can't hear you." well i think something that would be fun would be the power spread like Auburn, Michigan, formerly Florida ran. you could actually make running quarterbacks relevant in this league. i remember reading a media in this league about someone making his player after mike vick. you could make it useful for once since there isn't a PB that really does that. but the biggest thing is tailoring a playbook to what you have on your team. if you draft two HB's you could run a 2 HB offense. if you have two fast safeties you can permanently run cover 2. if your OLB is awesome you could move him all over the place, Troy Polamalu style. (i realize he doesn't play OLB) i wouldn't expect every team to use the same defensive or offensive playbook because different teams have different things that work for them. reno couldn't run the two RB offense for example, but two other teams in this league could. the two RB offense can be one of the best offenses for mismatches if it is used right. the allowance of letting other teams use it (or at the least borrow plays) stops someone from taking it out of hand. There has never been a prominent showing of scrambling quarterbacks in Madden in general especially not in 07. I don't believe there are many designed QB run plays and the only time I've seen a QB run is when they had 90+ speed and accel and they barely got anywhere because they only did it to get out of the pocket and usually get sacked or gained 1-2 yards. Sure each team is different but if the 2HB system becomes the dominate PB then there is no reason to play anything else. Just have one of your top TPE gainers switch positions, reallocate TPE, and there we go. It may be fun for some but not for all. GMs shouldn't have added work to be competitive which is something that this idea could bring. |
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Post by Night Train Lane on Dec 5, 2011 21:45:35 GMT -5
There has never been a prominent showing of scrambling quarterbacks in Madden in general especially not in 07. ...that is exactly what I just said: of course there isn't a playbook to do it, that's why you make a playbook to do that... do you get what im saying? |
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